Are card shows a thing of the past?

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I called the only one that was constant around here about a year ago to make sure they were still there, and the guy said he had better things to do on his weekends now. The end of an era....


dingdingdingding! It's hard for even the better promoters to find people willing to shell out $40-$100+ for two or three days so they can sit there and listen to a seemingly never ending chorus of "what a ripoff! I can get that cheaper on ebay! How much will you give me for this 1989 Fleer factory set? These were in your $1 each/12 for $10 box, will you take $15 for these 26 cards? No? Guess you don't want to sell any cards." I know our local monthly show advertises 40 tables, a lot of months there are about 15 actually sold. I know one of the guys that does it lives about 3 hours away, so he pretty much rents a hotel room for a night. Figure 2 $75 tables, about $50-75 for even a Motel 6 around here, hit a McDonald's on the way in for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch, grab dinner at the sit down restaurant near the hotel, breakfast and lunch the next day, you could be in $200-300 pretty fast. Now you're behind the table with everyone expecting ebay prices, which are often about 50% of book, meaning you'd better be into this stuff for 10-20% of book max. Even if you get double your cost on every card you sell, you still have to sell $400-600 of cards just to cover your costs. A 40 table show with moderate foot traffic does not make that an easy thing to achieve, even when the economy was solid. That hasn't even covered gas/transportation costs, or the possibility of shoplifting.

As others point out, ebay adds a huge change. You may be the only one at a show or in the area with that Ripken insert /1000, if someone wanted it before, you could set a price and someone would likely buy it or negotiate a price close to it. Now there are 7 more of the same card a mouse click away. Everyone who opens a pack of cards can be a dealer with an audience of millions. People can search for exactly what they want. While many of us enjoy digging through bargain boxes, there are people who don't want to hear "if I have any (insert player name here), they'll be in those boxes", as he points to 2 double shoe boxes that even if they started out alphabetical or by sport, have often been dug through and mixed up better than a deck in a Vegas casino. They don't want to spend 15 minutes at a table only to find absolutely no Carlos Beltran cards.

Then there is the Murphy's law. This often applies to vintage dealers. You have x amount of room to display. What do you bring? Nobody has asked for 1964 Topps singles for over a year, except for a handful of HOF'er cards. You leave those home to make room for the nice batch of 71 Topps you just picked up. Sure as you're sitting there, someone will come up and ask 'do you have any 1964 Topps?' You tell him they're at home, give him your card, well, they'd really rather see them in person vs an emailed scan. He asks if you can bring them to the next show. You tell them you'll bring them next month, you do, he doesn't show up and no one else gives them more than a passing glance while asking if you have something else that you naturally left at home for logistical reasons.
 
The vintage stuff valediction talked about describes me to a "T". I almost look exclusively for vitage stuff at shows because most of the time when I get a card described as ex-exmt it will come with a crease and I will be told "That is because of the age of the card" or "That was how people did things back then". If a card has writing in pen on the front it is not in excellent condition. For vintage stuff I would much rather see the card I am buying than a scan or a description. Which is why I take the chance just about every other weekend and drive at least an hour to try and find a show. My beef is with the cancellations. Does beckett say whether or not a show is cancelled? They list the scheduled ones on their site but do they ever say whether or not the show was cancelled?
 
I agree with everyone that ebay has changed the face of the collecting community. I do have to disagree about shows being outdated. I think it may just be where I live, as Boston is a sports nuts paradise.

When I started collecting in the mid 70's, there was only packs at the local stores and trading with friends for your favorite player or team. Then the 80's hit and the hobby went bananas. There were shows every weekend in most larger towns. Then the 90's and we all know what happened there. When things came back to earth in the last few years, I agree, some card shows didn't make it. However, here in Boston, we have a few great shows. There is a fantastic weekly show in Woburn, a great monthly show in Mansfield, and a long lasting great yearly show at The Shriner's. There used to be a TriStar show (literally down the street from me) but after a few years, they stopped this bi-annual disaster.

For me, it all depends upon your point of view. Growing up and only having 7-11 and my friends for cards doesn't compare to the way it is now. Yeah, there's nothing like it used to be back in the 90's, but to me, that's just another part of the cycle. Yes things change, but sometimes that's not a bad thing. In my view, the dealers who have made it this far in this economy are the ones that will be around for a while. I have been the ebay route, enjoyed it for a while, and now won't go back because, IMO, Ebay and Paypal have ruined that part of the hobby for me.

Sorry for the rambling, it's been a long day.

Either way, enjoy the hobby for what it is, a hobby and a great way to spend time and meet new friends.

Good luck with your collections, be it trading, shows, Ebay or the local 7-11.

Thanks,
 
It's the same thing with hobby shops. The internet, especially Ebay, has a big impact. It also depends on where you live. In New York City, we have a show each month at a public school in Manhattan.
 
The vintage stuff valediction talked about describes me to a "T". I almost look exclusively for vitage stuff at shows because most of the time when I get a card described as ex-exmt it will come with a crease and I will be told "That is because of the age of the card" or "That was how people did things back then". If a card has writing in pen on the front it is not in excellent condition. For vintage stuff I would much rather see the card I am buying than a scan or a description. Which is why I take the chance just about every other weekend and drive at least an hour to try and find a show. My beef is with the cancellations. Does beckett say whether or not a show is cancelled? They list the scheduled ones on their site but do they ever say whether or not the show was cancelled?

Most likely if they get notice early enough, they'll just remove the listing. Part of the problem there is what does the promoter do? How long before the show do you wait to sell tables? How many tables do you have to sell to even have a show? It's not like the glory days when promoters had to turn away dealers.
 
I go to one local show a year (for all of the reasons mentioned already ... same dealers with same stuff, overpricing, and lately my personal pet peeve ... more tables with Beenie babies and stuffed animals than card tables). I'd rather save up for one of the larger regional shows or the National where you can actually spend a day.

Chicago in November ... can't wait!

Scott
 
I for one love the card shows; and where I live in New Jersey I still get plenty of action. I have a show almost every weekend and several large shows throughout the year.

What I enjoy at the shows that eBay doesn't give you is the right to bargain with the dealer, in-hand examination of cards, no shipping fees and the ability to stumble on an item you necessarily didn't expect to find.

Also being a dying breed of a set-builder, many vendors do have current releases and there generally affordable early on.

Joe


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What I despise is when going to the show early in morning and having to see the dealers miserable faces when you ask them to look at a card your interested in his case in the middle of eating his egg sandwich, or Nathans Hot Dogs at his booth.

How many times do you hear dealers say "Just sold the last one" when you ask for something they don't have. You and I both know they NEVER had it, they just want to forge the idea of having great inventory.

Another classic dealer response .... "I have it but it's home, will you be here tomorrow ?" (******** - they know exactly what dealer has it there, and wants to buy it before you return tomorrow only to seller it to you for double his cost)

Did anyone ever come across a dealer that quotes the low side of Beckett when asking for a price ?

Also - don't you love the wax vendors that say shiit like "Topps only made a third of the print run for Heritage in 2009, better buy yours today before there all gone" I SAY ********, ********, ********... for Godsake my local Wal-Mart, Target, 7 Eleven, K-Mart, Toys R Us, Hobby shops and the vending maching in the bowling alley is stocked with 2009 Heritage.
 
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We get about one a month here in the Topeka/Kansas City area...most are in or around the metro, but the Topeka show has paid off a few times so I kept driving over to check it out.

About 90% of each show is the same dealers peddling the same junk. The other 10% is what I go for. Every now and then, someone will set up from Houston or St. Louis and I'll find stuff I can use.

We get about 1 or 2 'big' shows at the trade centers a year....the last one was full of overpriced junk and way, way too much memorabilia (for walls, etc).

They make a lot of their money off of the gate fees and autograph guests...the rest is a wash as the dealers are paying to be there.

We did get Tri-Star once a year, but they have since stopped coming to KC. I think the best show we've had in the past 5 years was a Naxcom show which had some amazing selection and I got an in-person auto from Pete Rose, 16x20 and all for $40.
 
I like hitting each one once a year. Only because of the same guys with the same stuff. I notice I am tight with my money there. On Ebay, I pay with Paypal and I am not seeing the money exchange hands so it seems easier. As long as I find I deal I guess I am happy.
 
Since I don't get the local newspaper and almost never go to my local card shop (unless I need supplies), I don't think I'd ever even know if there was a card show in my town.
 
I live in Northwest Indiana so with the close proximity to Chicago, there are shows almost every weekend in some suburb. The problem is, like everyone else that has posted, it's the same dealers with the same product and the same inflated show pricing.

I still love the shows though. It brings me back to when I was a kid and used to go to the every other weekend show at the local Ramada Inn. Of course, that was before the internet...I feel old.
 
Ebay, and the internet in general, have completely changed ALL collectible markets.

As for cards........... Up until about 6 years ago I used to set up at flea markets. When it got so that virtually everybody was saying "I could get that on ebay for...." and when I looked at what I was selling I was only getting ebay prices I figured why spend the money to set up anymore. I could just as easily sit in my air conditioned home, watch football, and make the same money.
 
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